非传递性骰子:A比B好,B比C好,A不一定比C好

    在数学中,比较运算是有传递性的。如果A>B,且B>C,那么一定有A>C。但现实生活中却不一定是这样。三个人两两之间进行比赛,有可能A比B要强,B比C要强,但C反过来赢了A。事实上,这种现象即使在数学中也是存在的。在一些概率事件中,类似的“大小关系”很可能并不满足传递性。
    右边有四颗骰子,分别用A、B、C、D来表示。我让你先选择一颗你自己认为最好的骰子,然后我再从剩下的三个骰子中选一个。抛掷各自所选的骰子后,谁掷出的数字大,谁就赢了。那么,你应该选哪颗骰子好呢?
    其实,不管你选哪一个骰子,我获胜的概率总是要大一些,因为剩下的三个骰子中总有一个骰子比你的要好。事实上,在这四颗骰子中,A赢B的概率是2/3,B赢C的概率是2/3,C赢D的概率是2/3,D赢A的概率还是2/3,因此不管你选的是哪一个骰子,只要我选择它左边的那一个(如果你选的是最左边的,则我选择最右边的),我总保证有2/3的概率获胜。你认为这样的事情有可能吗?对你来说这样的事情合乎情理吗?

    如果你不信的话,我们可以一起来算一算:
    A和B比时,只要A扔出4的话A就赢了,这有2/3的概率;
    B和C比时,只要C扔出2的话B就赢了,这有2/3的概率;
    C和D比时,若C扔出6则C一定能赢,若C扔出2则胜负几率对等,因此C获胜的概率是(1/3) + (2/3)*(1/2) = 2/3;
    D和A比时,若A扔出0则D一定能赢,若A扔出4则胜负几率对等,因此D获胜的概率是(1/3) + (2/3)*(1/2) = 2/3。

31 条评论

  • leafduo

    Matrix67 果然是赖皮的好手……

  • Freeze

    晕,这是有概率呵
    拿这要骗MM的话,万一掷到1/3就囧了……

  • duolon

    可以多次重复游戏,这样还是你的赢面大。
    而且,得让MM也小小赢几盘,否则她觉得你使诈,就不玩了。。。

  • Voldemort

    实际上确实存在一个最好的色子C。
    这个色子如果和它左边的色子B比,获胜的概率(从场次上来说)小,但是掷出的数字的期望比左边的色子大。也就是说,虽然总是输,但是总输的点数不多(不管怎么说按照这个规则输了就是输了);一旦赢一场,就赢很多点。

    (反正这要看游戏规则怎么定,如果是积分制的,那C胜算最大)

    回复:嗯,我也是这样认为的

  • xcjzj

    我做这个选择的时候就是单纯的用数学期望考虑的,选的C,呵呵。
    m牛(我也跟着大家这么叫哈)这里的确有很多很有意思的东西。开学的时候就要带本本了,到时候给武大的哥们好好宣传宣传,看看咱们的兄弟有多么强!呵呵呵呵呵……

  • Matrix78

    成功引用4个色子向MM证明大于传递不成立,
    MM一脸困惑.

  • ajack71

    为什么会这样

  • giogio

    总觉得您一定在哪里偷换了概念……就像“本句5个字”和“本句不止5个字”一样。
    你瞧,确实在投骰的时候A优于B,B优于C,但是你会发现A和C之间胜率是一半一半,BD两个数学期望是3的打平也就算了,为啥10/3和8/3会平手?

    我想知道几件事:
    1.对于n面骰,有没有构造类似骰子集合的方法?
    2.是不是不存在3个骰子的集合?
    3.如果本文中四个骰子一起投掷,那么排序的时候是不是每个骰子都有25%几率得到冠亚季和殿军名次?

  • giogio

    乕,算错了。AC之间胜率不是平分,而是数学期望之比4:5。所以A、B、C之间满足第二个问题……
    而对于第一个问题,骰子面上的数字可以是有理数。(我认为包括无理数也没影响)

  • hgmcm

    我们教授的例子是
    John loves Mary, Mary loves Jack, so John loves Jack…

  • 781

    以前试过,把一个幻方里面每一排的数字做成骰子,也会出现循环。

  • cervelo jersey

    数学期望之比4:5。所以A、B、C之间满足第二个问题……

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